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toujours_nigelme: omg the greeks are creeps.
um
never mind
hi
dearlyderanged: and this is new?
me: So Tantalus chopped up his son Pelops to serve the Olympians dinner, they noticed and didn't eat, but Demeter (who was grieving Kore's abduction, and was a little oblivious) consumed his shoulder before noticing she was nomming human flesh. They cursed Tantalus to spend his days submerged to his chin in water, unable to drink, and under fruit, unable to eat. Pelops they brought back, and gave him an ivory shoulder to replace his. They also, for some reason, cursed him.
Pelops dealt well with this, and went after Hippodameia and in the process killed her father. Oh, and his charioteer, Myrtilus, who further cursed the family. They lived happily ever after and had many children.
(um, also Pelops was Neptune's boy at some point, and thus won the chariot-race against Hippodameia's father.)
Now, Pelops had a son by a nymph, this boy being called Chrysippus, who may or may not have been raped by Laios (Oedipus' father) and was murdered by his sons Atreus and Thyestes.
Atreus and Thyestes got tossed out of Olympus. (human and not divine Olympus, Tantalus having been a son of Zeus'). They wandered over to Argos, became favourites of the king, and eventually got his kingdom when he dies in battle. um, not Argos so much as Mycenae, it's a tad confusing.
So, Atreus promised to sacrifice his best lamb to Artemis, found a golden lamb, and hid it.
His wife Aerope, who was sleeping with his brother, gave him the lamb. Thyestes convinced Atreus (since they couldn't be co-rulers, apparently) that whoever had it should be King. Atreus agreed, Thyestes produced the lamb, and took the throne.
He agreed to return the throne when the sun moved backwards, and Zeus stage-managed this, thus restoring (or giving, rather) the throne to Atreus.
Thyestes was banished, but Atreus learning of his adultery, had him brought back, and feasted him with the flesh of his sons.
And then exiled him for eating human flesh.
Thyestes then bedded his daughter Pelopia to father a son who would avenge him. Pelopia, ashamed of this act, abandoned the child Aegisthus, who was found by a shepherd and given to Atreus, who raised him.
When Aegisthus came of age, Thyestes told him the truth, and Aegisthus killed Atreus. Aegisthus and Thyestes ruled Mycenae jointly, and exiled Agamemnon and Menelaus, the sons of Atreus.
Agamemnon and Menelaus went to Sparta, and married Clytemnestra and Helen, Menelaus taking the throne of Sparta after his father-in-law died, the man's sons being Castor and Polydeuces, and, um, either dead or divine. Agamemnon returned to Mycenae and drove out Thyestes and Aegisthus.
When he sailed for Troy, the winds proving adverse (or he having killed an animal sacred to Artemis), Agamemnon had to sacrifice his daughter Iphigenia.
On his return, Clytemnestra and Aegisthus (now her lover) murdered him.
For this, Orestes and (in some versions) Electra commited matricide to avenge their father. Orestes was hounded by the Erinyes/Eumenides who either drove him mad or forgave him upon Apollo's pleading/Athena's judgment. (He might or might not have found Iphigenia on Tauris.)
dearlyderanged: 22 lines of offline chat. woman, you are insane.
me: Orestes went on to murder Neoptolemus, to gain his cousin Hermione to whom he had been affianced before his matricide. He ruled for ages, adding Argos to Mycenae and died possibly of snake-bite.
hi, babette. So I think that's the geneology. There's more, but i'm bored now.
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The more is a tying up of loose ends, actually. The son was killed by the Heraclids, and Orestes probably had a daughter with his half-sister, i.e. Clytemnestra's saughter with Aegisthus, whose brother he killed to free the succession from complications.
oh, and Laios was cursed for his rape of Chrysippus, thus leading to the whole Oedipal mess.
***
Yeah, I have no life, why do you ask? I had a twenty-page paper on Sophocles' Electra, back in first year, that consisted largely of the geneology of the Tantalids. I had a family tree and everything. The lecturer's eyes crossed, I'm not even kidding, most people turned in three sheets hand-written in sparkly pens. I've lost the soft copy, dammit.
um
never mind
hi
dearlyderanged: and this is new?
me: So Tantalus chopped up his son Pelops to serve the Olympians dinner, they noticed and didn't eat, but Demeter (who was grieving Kore's abduction, and was a little oblivious) consumed his shoulder before noticing she was nomming human flesh. They cursed Tantalus to spend his days submerged to his chin in water, unable to drink, and under fruit, unable to eat. Pelops they brought back, and gave him an ivory shoulder to replace his. They also, for some reason, cursed him.
Pelops dealt well with this, and went after Hippodameia and in the process killed her father. Oh, and his charioteer, Myrtilus, who further cursed the family. They lived happily ever after and had many children.
(um, also Pelops was Neptune's boy at some point, and thus won the chariot-race against Hippodameia's father.)
Now, Pelops had a son by a nymph, this boy being called Chrysippus, who may or may not have been raped by Laios (Oedipus' father) and was murdered by his sons Atreus and Thyestes.
Atreus and Thyestes got tossed out of Olympus. (human and not divine Olympus, Tantalus having been a son of Zeus'). They wandered over to Argos, became favourites of the king, and eventually got his kingdom when he dies in battle. um, not Argos so much as Mycenae, it's a tad confusing.
So, Atreus promised to sacrifice his best lamb to Artemis, found a golden lamb, and hid it.
His wife Aerope, who was sleeping with his brother, gave him the lamb. Thyestes convinced Atreus (since they couldn't be co-rulers, apparently) that whoever had it should be King. Atreus agreed, Thyestes produced the lamb, and took the throne.
He agreed to return the throne when the sun moved backwards, and Zeus stage-managed this, thus restoring (or giving, rather) the throne to Atreus.
Thyestes was banished, but Atreus learning of his adultery, had him brought back, and feasted him with the flesh of his sons.
And then exiled him for eating human flesh.
Thyestes then bedded his daughter Pelopia to father a son who would avenge him. Pelopia, ashamed of this act, abandoned the child Aegisthus, who was found by a shepherd and given to Atreus, who raised him.
When Aegisthus came of age, Thyestes told him the truth, and Aegisthus killed Atreus. Aegisthus and Thyestes ruled Mycenae jointly, and exiled Agamemnon and Menelaus, the sons of Atreus.
Agamemnon and Menelaus went to Sparta, and married Clytemnestra and Helen, Menelaus taking the throne of Sparta after his father-in-law died, the man's sons being Castor and Polydeuces, and, um, either dead or divine. Agamemnon returned to Mycenae and drove out Thyestes and Aegisthus.
When he sailed for Troy, the winds proving adverse (or he having killed an animal sacred to Artemis), Agamemnon had to sacrifice his daughter Iphigenia.
On his return, Clytemnestra and Aegisthus (now her lover) murdered him.
For this, Orestes and (in some versions) Electra commited matricide to avenge their father. Orestes was hounded by the Erinyes/Eumenides who either drove him mad or forgave him upon Apollo's pleading/Athena's judgment. (He might or might not have found Iphigenia on Tauris.)
dearlyderanged: 22 lines of offline chat. woman, you are insane.
me: Orestes went on to murder Neoptolemus, to gain his cousin Hermione to whom he had been affianced before his matricide. He ruled for ages, adding Argos to Mycenae and died possibly of snake-bite.
hi, babette. So I think that's the geneology. There's more, but i'm bored now.
***
The more is a tying up of loose ends, actually. The son was killed by the Heraclids, and Orestes probably had a daughter with his half-sister, i.e. Clytemnestra's saughter with Aegisthus, whose brother he killed to free the succession from complications.
oh, and Laios was cursed for his rape of Chrysippus, thus leading to the whole Oedipal mess.
***
Yeah, I have no life, why do you ask? I had a twenty-page paper on Sophocles' Electra, back in first year, that consisted largely of the geneology of the Tantalids. I had a family tree and everything. The lecturer's eyes crossed, I'm not even kidding, most people turned in three sheets hand-written in sparkly pens. I've lost the soft copy, dammit.
